Episode 18

018 Jan Kamiński - Validating UX-UI Product & Achieving More with Less

Jan Kamiński is the co-Founder & Head of Sales at Applover, a Full-Stack Digital Agency that builds technology solutions for all industry needs, including MedTech, FinTech, Streaming, Entert ainment, and Blockchain to name a few.

Today, Jeff and Jan talk about UX-UI, the benefits and negatives associated with outsourcing versus hiring internally, and the biggest lessons Jan learned through failure. Applover is growing like crazy and Jan believes that, with the right team and approach, you can do more with less.

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Key Takeaways

01:02 – Jeff introduces today’s guest, Jan Kamiński, who joins the show to share his background in software development and his journey from SaaS application to a digital agency

06:38 – Jan speaks to some of the biggest challenges that come with a growing team

10:56 – UX-UI and why it’s important to create a user-friendly application

13:02 – Jan reflects on a key lesson he learned through failure

15:40 – Outsourcing versus hiring internally

20:40 – Pros and cons us using native language in app development

26:51 – Jeff takes a moment to thank one of today’s sponsors, Champion Leadership Group

27:34 – Why do outsourcing projects fail and how that can be avoided

33:59 – The most crucial lessons Jan has learned from his experience as an entrepreneur

37:03 – Mentors who guided Jan along his journey and the best advice Jan has ever received

41:52 – What the future holds for outsourcing

44:11 – Jeff thanks Jan for joining the show and lets listeners know where to learn more about Applover

Tweetable Quotes

“I think that UX UI is becoming more and more important for various reasons. Of course we focus on the digital product, but if you think about this with an aging society or Covid-19, you see that UX UI is just everywhere.” (11:27) (Jan)

“When we launched our product, we validated this by just launching in the market. As I said, it was a failure. We learned a lot. We had some assumptions about the business model and the users’ behavior and the app. And then you integrate analytics and you launch and you see that they behave in a completely different way. I think that’s the best validation you can have is just launching a product.” (13:15) (Jan)

“Software development is a very complex process, and the developers might see the features differently once you explain them. So, just make sure they get it right.” (29:31) (Jan)

“In the end, it’s a people’s business. The company is a service provider, so we work on how our clients want us to work. So communication and being transparent with goals - not only development goals, but business goals - I think that’s very very important.” (33:32) (Jan)

“I think the best advice I have received is that business is a roller coaster. You will have ups and downs and you will just have to get used to that.” (39:06) (Jan)